Joni Rae at Tales of A Kitchen Witch asks:
Hi Sarah! I was wondering what would you do if one of your children wanted to go to school?
Ah school. We have done public school (three of them!), homeschool, and unschooling. All with varying degrees of successes and failures.
When I became pregnant with Daniel, I immediately decided he would be home-schooled. Fast forward to single parenthood, working full time (I’ve never received child support from his biological father), and a stressful living situation and the choice was made to have him start public school.
I was not confident in my decision. It felt wrong. It felt like it was too soon, that he wasn’t ready. I should have listened to my intuition. Surrounded by my family members who told me I was an awful mother if I didn’t send him to school, I started him at Brentwood.
From day one he was overwhelmed. The school focused more on the social aspects rather than the educational. He and this other little boy at the time, Christopher, did NOT get along. Daniel has always been very tall for his age and Christopher was of course, smaller. He would push my son and then claim he “had to” because my son “scared him”. I made numerous requests in person to the principal AND his teacher asking them to place my son in a different classroom. Instead, they “separated their tables”.
It killed me. He didn’t learn a single thing in kindergarten. Not one thing. In fact, he began to hate any kind of learning.
Then it’s time for first grade. This teacher refused to answer any of my emails, refused to schedule any conference with me, and again focused on the social aspect. During this time the decision was made that he would move to Pennsylvania to live with his biological father. WORST MISTAKE EVER, not only was my son abused physically/emotionally/mentally by his biological father and bio-father’s girlfriend, but again was set up to fail in his school (Laurel Elementary School) there. Their security was lax, in fact, it was brought to my attention that my sister had posed as me and spoke to the principal at that school on more than one occasion. I still don’t know what went on up there…
Anyway, after five miserable months in PA, he came home and started up at North School. Right away I was uncomfortable. His teacher (sensing a theme here!) never responded to my emails or in person contact. The principal would text my cell phone after 9pm suggesting my son go on more “playdates”. He spent most afternoons in her office because, again, he was not having good interactions with the other students. They would have him do handwriting worksheets as punishments.
Now during all this time and all those schools, what did he learn? That he needs to play nice or be “punished”. That’s it. He didn’t learn to write or read. Didn’t pick up any history or science.
Considering my own history with school, I was a bit shocked. After all, I really didn’t have any issues.
So Keith and I decided to homeschool. Then we chose to unschool very shortly after that. It’s now been a year and a half and Daniel does some writing, a touch of reading here and there, and is quite good at math. However, he still fights us every step of the way if we even SUGGEST he “read a book” or anything he construes as learning.
So you can imagine my utter shock when last night, Daniel told Keith and I that he wants to try public school again.
We spent over an hour discussing it with him. What his reasons were, that it would be hard work catching up educationally, that there is a lot more structure and rules, etc. That if he was solid in this decision, we would support him and make it work.
I am terrified.
I am worried that we will spend a small fortune to enroll him, get all the supplies the school “requires”, get all the clothes they require (as a lot of them are specific on a dress code), for him to decide he made a wrong decision and to choose to be at home again.
I am freaking out about the level of work that needs to be done to catch him up to grade level when it comes to reading (which he seems to hate to do).
I am concerned about potential bullying by other students, it seems like every hour of every day there’s another article released about bullying in schools.
I am stressing out over all the “what-if” scenarios.
I feel quite lost actually. Have you been in a similar situation? I could use all the helpful advice you have to offer!
I think she means because her ex’s chick could pose as the mother without proving it.
Great post Sarah!
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Ahh– I thought it was biodad’s chickie. I was confused. Still a good post though.
I hope my little never want to go to school!
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I’m kind of curious to know what his reasons are for wanting to go, since you didn’t mention them. Daniel definitely doesn’t seem afraid of hard work so it’s definitely doable. If he could just get over the reading hatred he could do really well.
What sort of books/material have you introduced him to? I think I’ve heard he’s jumped into WoW and stuff before, so have you introduced fantasy books to him? They’ve been publishing a lot of low-level fantasy books for kids lately :)
My 12yo has tentatively mentioned wanting to try public school once or twice. I’ve discussed it with her, heard her reasons, and I do take her opinion seriously. But ultimately, I think that it’s up to her father and me, as the parents, to make the final decision.
As much as Daniel’s input is important, you are the mom, and you are qualified to decide what is best for him. Do you think he could really benefit from going to public school? What would have to happen for him to really be happy and succeed in public school — is it feasible? What if he does go for a while and then change his mind — could he benefit from that experience?
Knowing my daughter as I do, I would not put her in a public school. I don’t believe that the environment would be good for her, and I’m certain that it would be damaging to her self-confidence. (Based on previous experiences.) Some of my other kids, I actually might consider it — but they aren’t interested in public school. ;)
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Public schools are all about social development. That is the primary selling point of them over homeschooling, but that comes with negative aspects too. People are dangerous and cruel, even as kids, and schools don’t have the resources (monetarily or staff-wise). I don’t have kids, but I want them to go to a private or public school, because I know I am not very extroverted. So I’d probably not provide enough out-of-the-home social interaction for a kid to experience a diverse social life. Of course the schools from your son’s history have grossly wronged him and you. I am in no way denouncing your experience, so please don’t get me wrong! I am just offering my POV.
Everyone fears those “what ifs” and parents especially. That is natural. It sounds like you and Keith are doing the right thing in giving him your support for his decision at this time. As you’ve experienced, all things in life are fluid.
My boys have been curious about school a few times over the years — particularly around middle and high school age when it feels like the only way they will ever get a date is if they go to school. I was willing to let my 16 year old try public school (the private school he was interested in was beyond what we could afford). His father said absolutely not because he is afraid the school is unsafe. I think my 16 year old could handle what came at him. Ultimately, my son decided we could expand his social world in other ways (registering for a community college class, taking other classes with more people he could meet) and frankly I think he realized he didn’t want to get up that early in the morning every day so decided not to go to public school.
When my 13 year old recently asked about middle school, I did actively discourage him. He is shy, tends to get really depressed when kids pick on him, and I think he wouldn’t last a week before he refused to go back. If he were a bit older and it was high school rather than middle school, maybe.
My 10 year old has some learning differences. No matter how much he might want to go to school (and he never has), I wouldn’t let him. It would be harmful to him.
So my view is that as home/unschoolers we do have to respect what our kids want — sometimes against our better judgment. If a child want more structured learning (and my kids have all asked for this at one point or another) I do give them more structure. But whether they go into an environment that may be physically and/or emotionally dangerous is ultimately our call as parents.
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My daughter is younger than your son, but she asked to go to school. She doesn’t really know what school is though. i asked her what she wanted to do at school.Her response was to make more friends, and play with them. She said she wanted to go to the zoo and museum, so we do more of those things.
Someone else suggested getting her some new clothes, shoes, her own lunch box and bookbag. Something she could take with her when we go out. I’ve started attending more play groups, La Leche League meetings.
For the past month we have been on the move. Zoo, museum, beach, aquarium, play dates, parks, libraries.
We’re also looking into Girl Scouts for her.
Have you looked into a homeschool co-op? What about Boy Scouts?
With the books and reading, maybe you could get books and set them out w/out mentioning anything about picking one up to him for a month. Just leave them out with no expectations.
Have you asked him what it is about school that he wants to try? Someone else suggested classes, like karate class, dance, art, music. Any class that you think he would enjoy. Talk to him, see what it is he wants and go from there.
My daughter has not asked to go to school since we started doing more of the things she asked for.
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I’ve not been in your situation, but I admire the support you are offering your son. As far as dealing with bullies, I read a tremendously useful article a few years ago and am keeping it on file for when the issue comes up for my daughter. It was in Wondertime magazine. Here’s the link: http://wondertime.go.com/learning/article/bullyproof-your-child.html
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I have zero helpful advice to offer but I think you are a bad ass. You have been through so much and seem to want nothing but the best for your kids like a good mother would. Good luck. I hope you find a solution you are comfortable with.
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I am playing devil’s advocate here, because you mentioned, “Then it’s time for first grade. This teacher refused to answer any of my emails, refused to schedule any conference with me” and “His teacher (sensing a theme here!) never responded to my emails or in person contact”
In what manner did you try and contact his teacher in person? I find it quite hard to believe that you weren’t able to track him down once, even if it meant disrupting the class to do so, because as a parent if I wasn’t able to get a hold of my child’s teacher, I would resort to any method necessary to do so and to make a point. –shrugs–
I don’t think I have any advice for you. I don’t look forward to the school years, though. We’re going to give public school a shot. Obviously the situation you experienced was unacceptable.
I doubt we’ll go the unschooling route, especially in the early years. I personally do not have enough discipline to do unschooling “properly” (which, in my opinion, means LOTS of different life experiences on a frequent basis).
Homeschooling, perhaps, but I hear it’s fairly difficult to find quality secular materials and organizations. (We’re having an IMPOSSIBLE time finding a secular daycare. Oh, I didn’t want to have to explain God or Jesus to my 3 year old.)
Have you looked into the various reading programs available? I’m sure a Google search would turn up something. Literacy is definitely important to me and I know from the quality of your writing that it’s important to you, too! Reading needs to be made fun, one way or another.
As for the social aspects of school, now that he’s older he may be better able to understand the motivation of others’ behaviors. There’s no excuse for a teacher doing something emotionally damaging to a student. That kind of stuff needs to be reported to the VP or principle. It’s not fun, I’m sure. I’ve read so many terrible tales of teachers vs. students and parents! It’s one of the motivating factors of many I know who homeschool.
Is it the social aspects he’s craving by returning to school? Can he write or dictate a list of reasons why he wants to go back to school and are there any alternatives to these you can fulfill by enrolling him in different extracurricular activities or home-school co-ops? I think many museums and libraries have programs throughout the year for group activities for kids of all ages. This is why I don’t know if I could do home/unschooliing — the planning!
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What worries me about so many people gravitating toward homeschooling these days is that the child is not getting the social interaction needed for the real world. It is not about making friends, it is not about going on play dates, or being the popular kid in class. Even bullying has its lessons. Bullies exist in the adult, working world. If your son has not learned how to deal with them in his childhood, how is he going to deal with them as an adult? He cannot run to Mommy and have her tell the boss to move her son to another department. In that aspect, I applaud the school for not moving him. It’s a life lesson. Should he be bullied? Absolutely not. But it happens. It will happen to him at some point, be it this year or twenty years down the road.
Ultimately, you are his mother and only his parents will be held responsible for his upbringing. It is your decision to make, whether you take his wants into account or not.
Have you checked into a learning program such as Sylvan or anything similar that might be in your area? I have heard testimony from an old neighbor that she put her son through a program like that – and he hated school with a passion – and saw him excel and flourish academically.
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Love the site design, especially the postal icons! Clearly I don’t come here often enough, lol. I saw you post about this on Twitter though, and it grabbed my attention. As I know Danny a bit (most of all his love of Star Wars) I found it surprising that he made that request. I didn’t know a lot about his previous school experiences, most of my knowledge comes from what I just read, and it seems that for them to cause you to make a 180 on your views for his schooling and pull him out of there, they caused you monumental concern. As sweet of a boy as Danny is, I understand your motivations. Along with surprise, I also think it’s great that Danny has spoken up about trying something else, it sounds like maturity on his part to express concern for his needs and to have a plan in mind.
In my return to college, I find that the online classes I have are more of a challenge than the conventional classroom settings. Some of it is distraction, okay more than some, but some of it comes from the environment. Maybe he’s feeling frustration that the same roof under which he plays, eats and sleeps is the same one where he has to switch gears into a focused, learning mode? Try taking him to the library and give him some math (a subject he’s enjoying) or hand writing to do for an hour each day for one week while you and baby play/nap/read off in the background. I think this will give him a sense of the school environment, without going cold turkey on what he’s used to, and see what he makes of having to be in a routine, of having to focus and complete a task, and being in a different, bland environment. If an hour goes well, like Susan mentioned above, have him listen to an audio version of the book while following along with the paper copy, if they have both versions. I think this may also help to gauge where he’s coming from. If he’s looking for more instruction, and I know you said expenses are hard, I hear ya, but maybe inquire at Sylvan or another tutoring service about what they offer for him, and how comfortable you are with them, so that any worries about bullies, socializing, and teacher accessibility are off the table while he tries it out.
As all my knowledge of being a parent in the schooling system comes from third parties, I don’t have any experiences to share with you, just thoughts, but I do have to agree with the posts above about the need for socialization. Not popularity, or cliques or anything, because I too was not a master in any way, and met my boyfriend of 10 years online. But the root word in society is social. Humans are social beings with sharing thoughts, concerns, needs, etc, and have developed language to further that socialization. But it’s not just language, it’s reading expressions and body language, and it requires practice at dealing with people that make us feel scared or hurt or uncomfortable that keep us from feeling anxious in situations that involve us dealing with people in person. Practice gives us the tools to fit in with other members we haven’t met before, be it going to a restaurant, having a job interview, or talking about something with the person next to you in line somewhere. Practice gives a sense of pride and self confidence when navigating social interactions, regardless of whether the outcome was good or bad. I feel like I’ve gotten preachy, and I don’t mean to, but as someone who’s boyfriend has autism, I have a particular experience around socialization.
Just throwing a few ideas out here: What about getting him a homeschool curriculum that he could work through on his own? He could have more structure but it wouldn’t have to come from you? Or would he be willing to sit down and create goals and a plan and maybe a schedule for himself that he could do at home? Also, is it possible, given his bad experiences with PS before, that he might want to go just to find out for himself if he can do it better this time? To find out if he can meet the challenges of PS and make it through? Is this his challenge for himself? I don’t know the answers to these questions but I’m just throwing ideas out there.
I vote for sending him. Let him face that choice. It shows you trust him and it seems the pure unschool way.
Just have to respond to the “school teaches you how to deal with people” theme. My eldest went to school until second grade after two years of pre-school. I went to public school K through 12 (though I skipped a grade). One of the reasons I pulled my son was that I saw he was learning what I did — most effect way to cope with bullies is to become one. It is behavior some people do indeed take with them into the adult world and those are the people most of us avoid. Most learn more productive ways of interacting in college or later — things they might be learning earlier if they weren’t trapped in narrow peer groups.
Instead my kids have learned to interact productively with people of all ages. Their schooled peers have not learned to interact with adults. My kids are exposed to a more diverse range of social relationships and interactions than their schooled peers.
I know many people who don’t know much about the real day-to-day of homeschooling think that we keep our kids in a Skinner box chained to a Bible. I am much more worried about kids who spend 8+ hour days exposed only to people their own age.
Sarah, have you looked at BrainPop? We love it, it isn’t too expensive (try the free 30 days), and the kids can run their own structured work.
I think before just letting him go back, Work with him get him up to speed on the reading and writing, and tell him this, That if he really wants to go back and give it a try then he needs to do those things. It will lessen the other kids making fun of him (I know a lot of kids who were made fun of cause they couldnt do certain things.) And will make him feel better about him self cause he will be able to participate alot more. If he has friends from around your neighborhood, find out what school they go to and maybe send him there so he knows some people and wont feel lonely. I know being military and switching schools every 2 years was hard on me. It also made it hard to make new friends, I was often the kid on the outside and it hurt alot.
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What do you mean about the third school being lax on “security”? Did they have issues with creepers?
If he feels ready to go, I’d be all for it. I hope you find a good school that can help him catch up with reading and hopefully they’ll let you pick your teacher. Perhaps phone around to other moms about which teachers were best for his age level.
My sister had a teacher from kindergarten to 1st grade who made her uncomfortable. They pegged her as unintelligent because she was too shy to talk. A better teacher opened her up and she finally started making friends. Hope you find a good one!
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