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		<title>By: P.A.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay! Congratulations sarah! welcome tristan!

how funny the mention of your labor &#039;stalling out&#039; due to stress- wednesday I also felt like something was happening- contractions every 5 minutes or so, painful ones for the first time, pressure in my pelvis and other things. I texted a friend who had &#039;back labor&#039; with her kids (because that&#039;s what I was feeling) and she said yep you&#039;re going soon, and when I was able to stand and walk two hours later I found both my dogs had escaped the house. I had to go out and drag them back home- frightening because neither of them are currently wearing tags. I thought the exertion would send me over the edge, but instead a little later it all stopped. No more laboring since! Oh, well. Was hoping it would start on its own without induction ~sigh

I can&#039;t wait to hear how the birth went! I really hope it was fabulous, really really really fabulous and you can write an epic tale to rub in the faces of those hideous drs. Actually, if the VBAC wasn&#039;t deadly for you guys, you should definitely write an account, citing researched facts for why you did it, and submit hard copies to as many people in the L&amp;D department as possible. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay! Congratulations sarah! welcome tristan!</p>
<p>how funny the mention of your labor ‘stalling out’ due to stress– wednesday I also felt like something was happening– contractions every 5 minutes or so, painful ones for the first time, pressure in my pelvis and other things. I texted a friend who had ‘back labor’ with her kids (because that’s what I was feeling) and she said yep you’re going soon, and when I was able to stand and walk two hours later I found both my dogs had escaped the house. I had to go out and drag them back home– frightening because neither of them are currently wearing tags. I thought the exertion would send me over the edge, but instead a little later it all stopped. No more laboring since! Oh, well. Was hoping it would start on its own without induction ~sigh</p>
<p>I can’t wait to hear how the birth went! I really hope it was fabulous, really really really fabulous and you can write an epic tale to rub in the faces of those hideous drs. Actually, if the VBAC wasn’t deadly for you guys, you should definitely write an account, citing researched facts for why you did it, and submit hard copies to as many people in the L&amp;D department as possible. </p>
<p>Congratulations again : )</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah had her baby this morning at 2:59am! Congratulations Sarah, and welcome to the world Tristan! I hope you make a speedy recovery, and I can&#039;t wait to hear about your birth story and see photos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah had her baby this morning at 2:59am! Congratulations Sarah, and welcome to the world Tristan! I hope you make a speedy recovery, and I can’t wait to hear about your birth story and see photos!</p>
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		<title>By: Caity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my gosh I am so sorry that things haven&#039;t gotten any better. I can&#039;t believe all the scare tactics and trouble that everyone is trying to put you through! Just know that you have tons of support from us, hun. Don&#039;t give up or give in. *hugs*
.-= &#123;Caity´s shared blog entry... &lt;a href=&quot;http://caity.nu/2009/09/29/focusing-on-the-positives/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Focusing on the positives.&lt;/a&gt;&#125; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh I am so sorry that things haven’t gotten any better. I can’t believe all the scare tactics and trouble that everyone is trying to put you through! Just know that you have tons of support from us, hun. Don’t give up or give in. *hugs*<br />
.-= {Caity´s shared blog entry… <a href="http://caity.nu/2009/09/29/focusing-on-the-positives/">Focusing on the positives.</a>} =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You still haven&#039;t popped yet Miss?! Ahhh, The agony.
.-= &#123;Nikita´s shared blog entry... &lt;a href=&quot;http://hellokita.blogspot.com/2009/09/vincents-school.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vincent&#039;s school.&lt;/a&gt;&#125; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You still haven’t popped yet Miss?! Ahhh, The agony.<br />
.-= {Nikita´s shared blog entry… <a href="http://hellokita.blogspot.com/2009/09/vincents-school.html">Vincent’s school.</a>} =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Thasanee, sadly, most OB&#039;s ARE like that. They will tell you what you want to hear until ohh... about 36wks, suddenly everything is on THEIR terms.  Caitlin pretty much took all the words out of my mouth lol.

@Caity, honestly, it got worse. This past Monday morning I woke up to a fair amount of blood, being that I never experienced labor with my oldest, I wasn&#039;t sure if it was normal. We figured this would also be a good opportunity to see what the other hospital, Lutheran General, was like. 

To say that Northwest is a BETTER option at this point, should show you how bad LG was. The MOMENT we arrived, they took a very long time, in an empty ER, to get me to Labor and Delivery. Once up there, they had me stay at the nurses station, HORRIFIED I wanted a VBAC, for about 10 minutes before putting me in a room. Once in the room I was accosted by 2 nurses trying to convince me to VBAC was a death sentence, they called up a resident and TWO on-call OB&#039;s to convince me to not VBAC. The 2nd OB told me I was being selfish, my baby would surely die, that my baby was MASSIVE even though palpating my belly shows he&#039;s average size, etc. One of the nurses got very upset with me, &quot;are you a medical professional? no? then you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about!&quot;. The resident told me uterine rupture was generally a 2% chance, I told her that all the recent studies show 0.7%. So on and so forth (don&#039;t want to bore you heh). 

LONG story short, I declined blood work, signed out AMA, they lied about receiving my c-section report from Ohio, and apparently have NO record I was even THERE Monday when we called Tuesday morning about the Ohio record that was CONFIRMED they actually did receive.  Insane right.

@michele, I have to admit I am VERY proud of myself for not only speaking up, correcting their &quot;mis-information&quot; aka fear tactics, but taking matters into my OWN hands, declining tests I did not want or NEED and signing out of the 2nd hospital AMA. Right now I consider myself to be in uber early labor, been having MASSIVE amounts of bloody show since Monday morning, started having contractions but due to some family stress (not my oldest son or boyfriend), my labor completely stalled out ugh. 

@TheFeministBreeder, thank you SO MUCH. I am going to check out those links right now. Hell, I am going to PRINT them out! It&#039;s really crazy to me how many people are interested in my uterus and vagina, only because I had major abdominal surgery to deliver my first son due to his footling breech nature. I had even commented at Lutheran General (on Monday) to the one nurse that they would NOT be treating me in that manner (verbal assault from them on the &quot;dangers&quot; of VBAC) if I did not have a previous c-section. I never knew a humans face could turn so hateful and red so quickly heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thasanee, sadly, most OB’s ARE like that. They will tell you what you want to hear until ohh… about 36wks, suddenly everything is on THEIR terms.  Caitlin pretty much took all the words out of my mouth lol.</p>
<p>@Caity, honestly, it got worse. This past Monday morning I woke up to a fair amount of blood, being that I never experienced labor with my oldest, I wasn’t sure if it was normal. We figured this would also be a good opportunity to see what the other hospital, Lutheran General, was like. </p>
<p>To say that Northwest is a BETTER option at this point, should show you how bad LG was. The MOMENT we arrived, they took a very long time, in an empty ER, to get me to Labor and Delivery. Once up there, they had me stay at the nurses station, HORRIFIED I wanted a VBAC, for about 10 minutes before putting me in a room. Once in the room I was accosted by 2 nurses trying to convince me to VBAC was a death sentence, they called up a resident and TWO on-call OB’s to convince me to not VBAC. The 2nd OB told me I was being selfish, my baby would surely die, that my baby was MASSIVE even though palpating my belly shows he’s average size, etc. One of the nurses got very upset with me, “are you a medical professional? no? then you don’t know what you’re talking about!”. The resident told me uterine rupture was generally a 2% chance, I told her that all the recent studies show 0.7%. So on and so forth (don’t want to bore you heh). </p>
<p>LONG story short, I declined blood work, signed out AMA, they lied about receiving my c-section report from Ohio, and apparently have NO record I was even THERE Monday when we called Tuesday morning about the Ohio record that was CONFIRMED they actually did receive.  Insane right.</p>
<p>@michele, I have to admit I am VERY proud of myself for not only speaking up, correcting their “mis-information” aka fear tactics, but taking matters into my OWN hands, declining tests I did not want or NEED and signing out of the 2nd hospital AMA. Right now I consider myself to be in uber early labor, been having MASSIVE amounts of bloody show since Monday morning, started having contractions but due to some family stress (not my oldest son or boyfriend), my labor completely stalled out ugh. </p>
<p>@TheFeministBreeder, thank you SO MUCH. I am going to check out those links right now. Hell, I am going to PRINT them out! It’s really crazy to me how many people are interested in my uterus and vagina, only because I had major abdominal surgery to deliver my first son due to his footling breech nature. I had even commented at Lutheran General (on Monday) to the one nurse that they would NOT be treating me in that manner (verbal assault from them on the “dangers” of VBAC) if I did not have a previous c-section. I never knew a humans face could turn so hateful and red so quickly heh.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFeministBreeder</title>
		<link>http://onestarrynight.com/vent-birthing-scare-tactics-long/#comment-4362</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFeministBreeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to post the specifics on the law but BirthingBeautifulIdeas beat me to it.  I saw your tweets and just wanted to let you know that your local ICAN chapters (http://www.icanofdupage.org being the DuPage chapter) are here for you if you need any help/support.  The law is 100% on your side, and that doctor is an idiot for trying to tell you otherwise.  This is a quick FAQ of your exact legal rights as specified by law: http://icanofdupagecounty.club.officelive.com/RefusingaCesarean.aspx

I had my VBAC in a NON-friendly situation too, but with enough grit you can do it!  I wouldn&#039;t let anybody stop me and you don&#039;t have to either!

http://thefeministbreeder.typepad.com/the_feminist_breeder/2008/05/jules-michael-birth-story.html
.-= &#123;TheFeministBreeder´s shared blog entry... &lt;a href=&quot;http://thefeministbreeder.typepad.com/the_feminist_breeder/2009/09/the-feminist-breeder-goes-to-philly.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Feminist Breeder Goes to Philly&lt;/a&gt;&#125; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to post the specifics on the law but BirthingBeautifulIdeas beat me to it.  I saw your tweets and just wanted to let you know that your local ICAN chapters (<a href="http://www.icanofdupage.org">http://www.icanofdupage.org</a> being the DuPage chapter) are here for you if you need any help/support.  The law is 100% on your side, and that doctor is an idiot for trying to tell you otherwise.  This is a quick FAQ of your exact legal rights as specified by law: <a href="http://icanofdupagecounty.club.officelive.com/RefusingaCesarean.aspx">http://icanofdupagecounty.club.officelive.com/RefusingaCesarean.aspx</a></p>
<p>I had my VBAC in a NON-friendly situation too, but with enough grit you can do it!  I wouldn’t let anybody stop me and you don’t have to either!</p>
<p><a href="http://thefeministbreeder.typepad.com/the_feminist_breeder/2008/05/jules-michael-birth-story.html">http://thefeministbreeder.typepad.com/the_feminist_breeder/2008/05/jules-michael-birth-story.html</a><br />
.-= {TheFeministBreeder´s shared blog entry… <a href="http://thefeministbreeder.typepad.com/the_feminist_breeder/2009/09/the-feminist-breeder-goes-to-philly.html">The Feminist Breeder Goes to Philly</a>} =-.</p>
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		<title>By: michele</title>
		<link>http://onestarrynight.com/vent-birthing-scare-tactics-long/#comment-4345</link>
		<dc:creator>michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just came across your blog via Twitter.

The doc&#039;s scare tactics are just sad. Stick to your guns. You can do it.

I just had my VBAC (at home) 5 months ago. My previous OB said I was &quot;too small&quot; to deliver vaginally. She said I would fail if I tried a VBAC. 

Well, I had my 9 lb baby girl at HOME, VAGINALLY. Bigger than her big brother who was &quot;too big&quot; for me. LMAO

I will now be on the look out for your birth story.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across your blog via Twitter.</p>
<p>The doc’s scare tactics are just sad. Stick to your guns. You can do it.</p>
<p>I just had my VBAC (at home) 5 months ago. My previous OB said I was “too small” to deliver vaginally. She said I would fail if I tried a VBAC. </p>
<p>Well, I had my 9 lb baby girl at HOME, VAGINALLY. Bigger than her big brother who was “too big” for me. LMAO</p>
<p>I will now be on the look out for your birth story.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Caity</title>
		<link>http://onestarrynight.com/vent-birthing-scare-tactics-long/#comment-4344</link>
		<dc:creator>Caity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my gosh I can&#039;t believe you went through all of that! I&#039;m so sorry hun. Good for you for not giving in even under all that pressure that they put you through. You&#039;re awesome. I&#039;m definitely retweeting this for you.
.-= &#123;Caity´s shared blog entry... &lt;a href=&quot;http://caity.nu/2009/09/27/more-fun-search-terms/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More fun search terms!&lt;/a&gt;&#125; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh I can’t believe you went through all of that! I’m so sorry hun. Good for you for not giving in even under all that pressure that they put you through. You’re awesome. I’m definitely retweeting this for you.<br />
.-= {Caity´s shared blog entry… <a href="http://caity.nu/2009/09/27/more-fun-search-terms/">More fun search terms!</a>} =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Thasanee A lot of this mindset that women don&#039;t know how their own bodies work is fairly recent. (In the past 100 years or so.) And now, in this new millenium, a lot of women either don&#039;t want to think, or don&#039;t want to go against their doctor for fear of being ridiculed or whatever. It&#039;s common for women to be scared into have a cesarean when they are very close to giving birth because a doctor tells them that the baby is in danger. At that point, you&#039;re not willing to risk anything because you just want the happy outcome of a cuddly newborn in your arms.

It&#039;s also very common for women to be told they can&#039;t handle labor on their own, so they&#039;re given an IV and an epidural, and it&#039;s very hard to stop a nurse giving you pitocin or other labor-inducing drugs once you already have an IV in.

As for making your own decisions, I agree. You SHOULD be able to. But many doctors are like the ones Sarah unfortunately had to deal with. They&#039;re set in their ways, or they want the increase in pay that comes with a cesarean (Surgery and anesthesia cost a lot of money, which the doctor gets a cut of.), or they want to be home in time for dinner. (Doctors hours are 8-4, don&#039;t let anyone tell you different. They don&#039;t want to be there after or before.) It&#039;s terrible, but it&#039;s true.
.-= &#123;Caitlin´s shared blog entry... &lt;a href=&quot;http://catielove.org/?p=233&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If “…” were an appropriate blog title, all of mine would be.&lt;/a&gt;&#125; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thasanee A lot of this mindset that women don’t know how their own bodies work is fairly recent. (In the past 100 years or so.) And now, in this new millenium, a lot of women either don’t want to think, or don’t want to go against their doctor for fear of being ridiculed or whatever. It’s common for women to be scared into have a cesarean when they are very close to giving birth because a doctor tells them that the baby is in danger. At that point, you’re not willing to risk anything because you just want the happy outcome of a cuddly newborn in your arms.</p>
<p>It’s also very common for women to be told they can’t handle labor on their own, so they’re given an IV and an epidural, and it’s very hard to stop a nurse giving you pitocin or other labor-inducing drugs once you already have an IV in.</p>
<p>As for making your own decisions, I agree. You SHOULD be able to. But many doctors are like the ones Sarah unfortunately had to deal with. They’re set in their ways, or they want the increase in pay that comes with a cesarean (Surgery and anesthesia cost a lot of money, which the doctor gets a cut of.), or they want to be home in time for dinner. (Doctors hours are 8–4, don’t let anyone tell you different. They don’t want to be there after or before.) It’s terrible, but it’s true.<br />
.-= {Caitlin´s shared blog entry… <a href="http://catielove.org/?p=233">If “…” were an appropriate blog title, all of mine would be.</a>} =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Thasanee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thasanee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I have to say is, you should be able to make your own choices about your delivery, especially if you are 100% aware of what your rights are and what is happening to YOUR body. With that said, I support your decision, because it is yours. As for me, It has really made me aware of what I need to contemplated about my own pregnancy and labor. I like to hope that not all OBs are like this, that there are some decent human beings out there. And it would make more sense if a doctor explained their concerns for you in a way that doesn&#039;t sound like they are just telling them that they know better and you don&#039;t. If you have done your research (and for me, research isn&#039;t web research, I am a biologist and anything medical related I look for peer reviewed articles), then your word is your own and your wishes are your own to make sure are followed. Good luck and I hope that they do not try to pull sneaky ish on you! 

.. and I wonder, if this is something that is common in the mid-west states and east coast, because my mom did not have to deal with this and well as a lot of my friends who gave birth on the west coast.
.-= &#123;Thasanee´s shared blog entry... &lt;a href=&quot;http://the-shoe-fits.net/2009/07/monday-monday-monday/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Monday! Monday! Monday!&lt;/a&gt;&#125; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have to say is, you should be able to make your own choices about your delivery, especially if you are 100% aware of what your rights are and what is happening to YOUR body. With that said, I support your decision, because it is yours. As for me, It has really made me aware of what I need to contemplated about my own pregnancy and labor. I like to hope that not all OBs are like this, that there are some decent human beings out there. And it would make more sense if a doctor explained their concerns for you in a way that doesn’t sound like they are just telling them that they know better and you don’t. If you have done your research (and for me, research isn’t web research, I am a biologist and anything medical related I look for peer reviewed articles), then your word is your own and your wishes are your own to make sure are followed. Good luck and I hope that they do not try to pull sneaky ish on you! </p>
<p>.. and I wonder, if this is something that is common in the mid-west states and east coast, because my mom did not have to deal with this and well as a lot of my friends who gave birth on the west coast.<br />
.-= {Thasanee´s shared blog entry… <a href="http://the-shoe-fits.net/2009/07/monday-monday-monday/">Monday! Monday! Monday!</a>} =-.</p>
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